‘Man up’ and SPEAK UP. Guest starring Gus Worland, founder of Gotcha4Life Foundation

Ange
Hey everyone.

 Andy
This week’s topic is one that is close to my heart. After losing a really close mate to suicide in the last 12 months, it is something that I think we should all be more aware of, especially being a part of the trade industry, and that is mental health.

Ange
Absolutely. The topic of mental health and mental fitness is so crucial and extremely timely given that August is actually tradies’ National Health Month, it’s no secret that there’s a massive stereotype around the trade industry of it being a super blokey one with sensitive topics and conversations often being brushed under the rug. But this has to change and mental fitness, charity Gotcha4Life is helping to do just that. If you’ve gone back into the archives and listened to our earlier episode, you might remember that we had Gotcha4Life awesome founder Gus Worland, join us on the show at the end of season one to talk about Gotcha4Life and the work that they’re doing to work towards their incredibly important goal of zero suicides and prevention through connection. We had so many of you contact us after that episode letting us know how helpful and informative it was, which was so great to hear. If you haven’t listened to it, I highly recommend heading back to season one, just to check it out.

 Andy
That’s right. Working in the trade industry, Angela and I understand the stress and isolation that comes with running a trade business. How hard it can be to just ask for a little bit of help and even recognize that you need the help in the first place. So we are very proud to announce that Lifestyle Tradie is partnering with Gotcha4Life. Angela, myself, and the whole team are so happy to jump on board to support and work towards their goal of zero suicides, promoting mental fitness and the important message that no one should ever suffer alone. To kick off our partnership, we are lucky enough to have Gus back to join us on The Tradie Show, to give us some strategies on how to improve our own mental fitness and to chat through how including open communication in your team and with your mates is the way moving forward.

Ange
Before we jump into the chat, if you aren’t aware of who Gus Warland is and the incredible work that he’s done and continues to do, then let me just give you a quick recap. Gus is a highly respected Australian media and radio personality who’s been appearing on Australian TV for over 14 years. And on top of that, he’s been part of the Triple M team since 2009. He’s currently with the rush hour team, which is live on air each afternoon in Sydney. It was in 2017 that Gus founded the mental fitness Charity Gotcha4Life, following the success of his popular ABC series called Man Up, as well as a devastatingly loss of a very close friend and mentor to suicide. Through these experiences, he realized he had the ability and the network to really make a difference in this space. To top it off because that just isn’t enough for him. Gus has also recently started a podcast, it’s called, not an Overnight Success, where He Chats to some of Australia’s most influential and successful people. Gus has done it all and we are so proud to work alongside Gus and the Gotcha4Life Foundation to further the incredible work they do. Hi, and welcome back Gus. It’s so great to have you with us.

Gus
Oh, thank you guys. And I love the fact that we’re more together, more, more cuddles now than ever with your support of Gotcha4Life. So it’s great to see you both. Thank you for having me.

 Andy
Mate. It’s an absolute pleasure having you. Um, it’s great to finally announce the great partnership between Lifestyle Tradie and Gotcha4Life. And for those that haven’t listened to our first podcast with you back in season one, can you give us a bit of a background around your experience with mental fitness and why you started Gotcha4Life in 2017?

Gus
Yeah, absolutely. I did a show called Man Up on the ABC and that really challenged masculinity in this country and why we lose so many blokes to suicide every day. Yeah. And after that I was still on breakfast radio on Triple M and I thought I could do some more, so I started Gotcha4Life, the foundation, as you said, going back just at our fifth birthday. Yeah. Not that we stopped and celebrated, but we actually put a date in the diary for all to get together and have a drink and you know, catch up in Manley, but we never got round to it cause everyone’s so busy and we don’t have enough staff. But at the end of the day, nearly $11 million was raised.

 Andy
Wow.

Gus
Um, that money given to people that work in suicide prevention and you know, wonderful people like you that have great connections to people that we wanna talk to, which is really about, why are we losing so many blokes? Emotional muscle? Where can we build it? How can we have these conversations that we haven’t been having and how can we make sure we get this suicide rate down to zero? So Man Up came, Gotcha4Life started, and you know, before you know it, five years on and we are, we’re just working every day to try to get this rate down. We had a slight break. Last year, 5%, but still over 3000 people in Australia took their own lives. So, you know, we can’t stop. We need to keep working at this.

Ange
Yeah, we completely agree with you. Hence a reason why we support you a hundred percent. Gus, you talk about changing the term from mental health to mental fitness, kind of like exercise, and I’m curious to know, what are some strategies that people can implement maybe on a daily or a weekly or monthly basis to exercise their mind and improve their mental fitness?

Gus
Yeah, I think if you look at it like your physical fitness rather than mental health, which has got a really bad rap, if you think about mental health, people think straight away, oh my god, you know, that’s not me. That’s someone else’s drama. Or I’m gonna have to get a lot worse before I’ve got a mental health issue. Yeah. Well that’s not necessarily true. So let’s park that for a moment. Mental health and talk about mental fitness. Just like your physical fitness. What’s your mark out of 10 for both of you right now? You don’t need to answer the question necessarily, but a number is probably already in your head.

 Andy
Yeah.

Gus
Your listeners, there’s already a number in your head right now of what your physical fitness out of 10 is.

Ange
Sure.

Gus
So what’s your mental fitness out of 10? That’s a much more difficult conversation, but you don’t quite know what it means. And also how do you get your number up? Well, physical fitness, it’s easy. You eat cleaner, you move more. If you’re smoking, you stop. If you’re a drinker, then you drink less. There’s a lot of things there that are just there. You can just automatically know what to do to get your physical fitness right. But what are the activities in the exercises to get your mental fitness right? And that’s really what Gotcha4Life is all about. It’s like going to your mental gym, A gym for your head. Yeah. How can we build emotional muscle so we can actually feel strong enough to ask the questions that we need to ask or to put your hand up and say, Hey, I need some help. I sat with, um, a whole lot of lifeguards the other day at a big conference up in Queensland, and this 15 year old kid nailed it perfectly. He goes, why does someone in the water that needs our help stick their hand up? But they won’t do it on land? They won’t do it on sand.

Ange
Yes.

Gus
Because if you stick your hand up in the water it is a process. People go in, they’ll rescue you when you get saved. But for some reason we don’t have the emotional muscle to ask for that help on the land. So that’s what we’re really working out at the moment, because all the people that I talk to, These guys are worrying alone way too much, boys, girls, men, women, everyone in between. We worry alone in our own heads too much. So we need to be able to get those conversations out. And if you then share it, you’ll realize, you’re not the only one with that problem. And secondly, there’s help there and support to get you through stuff. So that’s really, try to really take away the medicine and take away the white coats and the wellness. And make this a human problem, make you realize that everyone’s got this stuff going on and it’s normal, so just go out and get your help. If you had a problem with your knee or your calf, you’d go to a physio. Well, do the same thing with your melon.

Ange
I do find it interesting that pride just seems to get in the way for both men and women. We do know.

Gus
Yeah.

Ange
You know, working with trade business owners, it’s a very blokey industry that the men specifically pride in. You know, this wall of pride really stands in their way. But you’re so right Gus. It’s quite interesting once you encourage them to talk about their life and what’s actually happening, not just about business, but just about life in general. They really aren’t on their own. Everyone’s got their demons. And I guess social media plays a really big part in that, that everyone is a bit of a highlight reel. Yeah. But you know, truthfully, when I, even when we start talking to our friends, Everyone has stuff going on.

 Andy
I think that’s it. I mean, when you do and you hit it in the nail on the head, Gus, as you always do, mate, when you mention the word mental health, sometimes as blokes we shy away from that and we go, that’s not us. But when you say mental fitness, I know right now that if we reached out to everyone listening to this podcast, they’d put their hand up and say, hell yeah. I have had mental fitness issues and I need to be better because every single one of us, and it’s amazing, even with a group like Lifestyle Tradie in what we do, I still have people in the group when things aren’t going as well. They still go, oh, I had a bad month last night. I said, mate, why don’t you actually pay me so you can talk to me and you’re still not doing it? He goes, oh, I just didn’t wanna bother you.

Ange
Pride!

Gus
No, you’re right. It’s all about building a safe place to have this conversation. Yeah, and what we tend to do is we, we’re so busy, we’re running around, we’ve got so much going on. We don’t actually give ourselves the time to just sit in a bit of awkward, uncomfortable, vulnerable silence to start that conversation. We had 257 blokes at a local surf club the other day. They all walked in. They’re all looking around going, I thought I’d be the only one here. That was their first thing. Yeah. Secondly, they looked around and went, gee, there’s 80 year olds, there’s 16 year olds, there’s all of us there. And then you’re looking around going, okay, I wonder what this night’s gonna be about. And this young 16 year old boy stood up and went, blur, blur, blur, blur. I won’t tell you cuz it was in that room. It was special for all of us. And everyone went, wow, okay. If that kid can do it, if that’s got the guts. And he’s mentally fit enough to tell us that then I can get the mental fitness up to get through it as well. So many words got stuck here and there and did not quite come out. Sometimes you need the conversation with the snot running outta your nose. Yeah. And the tears running outta your eyes. Just initially it’s like going to the gym for the first time. Yeah. You’re gonna be sore the next day. It hurts. Trainer that you’re thinking. Oh my God, I can’t believe I spent 80 bucks on them. You’re gonna hate them, but a month later, , three months later, exactly. Six months later, all of a sudden everything becomes a lot easier. We need to practice, we need to get fitter. So it’s really all the stuff that we do and we’re all doing it together. Yeah. Is basically working at a mental fitness gym. And we’ve got all different styles there for all different people. Whether you wanna do it like this or information on a podcast or go and see people face to face, we just need to be doing more of that together.

 Andy
A hundred percent. I know I say that a lot, but a, a double, a hundred percent mate, the stats of Aussie men in suicide, huge. And I know you did the ABC documentary around Man Up, and you mentioned it a little bit earlier, but can you tell us a bit more about the experience and what it actually means to be a man?

Gus
Yeah. Well I suppose that’s, I mean, if people don’t know seven men that woke up this morning in Australia won’t wake up tomorrow morning.

 Andy
Yeah. Shit.

Gus
With two women at the same time. So that’s nine Aussies every day that wake up today, that won’t wake up tomorrow. That’s the first thing. And then even more shocking that if you can actually get more shocking than that, we have someone attempting suicide every 28 seconds in this country.

Ange
Woah.

Gus
So that’s two a minute. So we’ve been chatting now for about 10 minutes. 20 people since we said Good day have attempted to take their own life in this country. That’s, people walking in on a, on a, on a loved one or walking in on a work colleague and having to deal with what’s in front of them and then trying to save them. And I’ve been very lucky over the last couple of years to have some support from New South Wales Health to speak to a lot of people that have actually tried to take their own life, and they’re still with us. Thank God. Yeah. Over 2000 people. In fact, I think the numbers now, 2,136 people that I’ve had the privilege of speaking to one-on-one. Not one of those people wanted to die. But they had things in common. One, they were tired, and B, they were in pain. So if you combine a long time of tiredness and pain, all of a sudden an option of taking your own life comes into play. So that gives me an understanding of the people listening to your podcast now, the work that I do at Gotcha4Life. The work that you guys do outside of the podcast. If we can get to people early enough and tell them it’s okay to share how you are feeling and here’s an emotional muscle to be able to have that conversation, we can get the suicide rate down to zero. I’m absolutely sure of it, and that’s the passion that goes with it. But getting back to your question about being a man, it’s changed over the years. You know, my grandfather, he knew his role. He wore a suit every day. He wore a hat, he went off to work and he provided, and that to him was hard work. He didn’t mind the hard work, but he knew exactly what he was about. Grandma on the other side was the homemaker. She looked after everything at home and she dealt with the staff and the children and so forth, and she made it comfortable for granddad. Now, obviously that’s not where we want to be now, we understand. I’ve got two daughters and a wife that work and who are special, and I want him to be Prime Minister of Australia one day, so I don’t want anything capping what they’re doing in their life. It’s confusing men now cuz we are not quite sure what, where we are meant to be. Are we meant to be the sole provider? Are we meant to be a provider or the breadwinner? Are we also meant to be the best dad in the world in terms of having time and looking after your children, plus having the, you know, the delicate side as well. It’s a real confusing time for blokes and when I sit in rooms with blokes, that’s pretty much what they say they want to be all these things, but it’s bloody hard to be all these things. So at the end of the day, it’s difficult at the moment. That’s the answer to your question on what it takes to be a man. Yep. Today. But it’s ever-evolving, that’s for sure.

Ange
I definitely think the industry has, is changing in general in that respect with regards to male and female roles and no more in a trade environment where it’s a like super blokey, you know, environment completely. I just wanna change this question up just a little bit and to lighten up. On the show, you’ve actually joined in on a nude yoga class. And for those that haven’t seen the show, can you share what was the specific reason for you to get naked?

 Andy
I don’t know if anyone wants to see that show. Do they Gus ?

Ange
Well, Gus you know, there’s gotta be a reason. So how’d you go?

 Andy
Oh dear.

Gus
Well, as you have done so beautifully, just there to sort of lighten the shade of this podcast. Because already we’ve got quite heavy and quite deep. That’s exactly why we did that with the show because we needed to show, you know, a little bit of light in the show cause it was a very difficult and emotional story to tell. My journey of why my friend had taken his own life and challenging masculinity was difficult. So there are a group of men in Sydney who basically do nude yoga. The reason why they do it is cuz they don’t want to, they feel uncomfortable and anxious when it comes to going into a gym. If you haven’t got all the gear, if you haven’t got the latest Lululemon or the latest Nike or the latest Asic, whatever it might be, you don’t have the right gear. All of a sudden they fell behind other people and they felt that they couldn’t do or be the best they possibly could be, so they decided to strip all that back.

 Andy
Wow.

Gus
Now, my question on that was, I’m obviously a little bit different to like next to me and the bloke next to me as well, so I certainly felt a little bit behind a few of those blokes, right in.

 Andy
I imagine guys with slugs down to their knees and then you rock in and go, oh shit, I’d rather my clothes on. Thanks.

Ange
I could just imagine everyone trying to do you nude yoga with your eyes closed, but you can’t, cuz you’ve actually gotta watch the teacher, but your eyes can’t not look at everybody.

Gus
I was trying to sort of shimmy myself to the back. And of course when I look up, all you see are these like faces.

 Andy
These big goat balls hanging down. I was like, oh God, what are we doing here?

Gus
It’s, you know what, it’s just, it’s, it’s not for everyone, but it’s for certain people and that’s what I sort of love about as there is enough stuff out there. For everyone, for how they feel around their anxiety and how they feel they fit into society and so forth. So like I said, you know, there were about 20 blokes there and they couldn’t do without it. They absolutely loved it and I wanted to show that side and we wanted to do a little bit of light and shade, as I said. So it’s not, it’s something that gets brought up more than most things.

Ange
If you wanna strip someone back to just being a human, you may as well go there. You know, start again. You Yeah.

 Andy
Well, mate, it’s, um, I love, I love the fact I just, I’ve got that vision in my eyes. I’m trying to get it out, but I’ve, I’ve got that vision, you know, so, you know. We’re talking about tradies a little bit here. Yes. But we’re talking about all men. Yeah. You know, we’re all that drinker, cup of concrete and toughen up mate. And I even find, even with my son that’s 12 on the soccer field, I’m like, get in there and rip the button. Come on, you’re being too soft. And I’m like, ah, shit. Settle down, Andy. Where are you overstepping the mark? But males are meant to be that big, strong person. You know, we’ve been brought up that way. We have in the past. But how do you get males to be more vulnerable now and actually to come out of their skin and actually, you know, be a bit more emotional and actually be honest with their mates, you know? Have you got any tips there for our listeners that if they wanna just show a bit more vulnerability without attending nude yoga, how can they do that?

Gus
Yeah, look at it, it’s a really good question. It’s a question I get asked the most actually. And I suppose it really goes back to what is strong and what is, what is that manly thing? Like your son is a 12 year old. I mean, I wouldn’t be shouting. I certainly shouted that to my son as a 12 year old. Yeah. Cause I didn’t know any difference. So. I get it. Totally. So I’m not sitting here on my highs at all, you know, and there’ve been moments where I’ve been a disgrace as a parent, , trying to, you know, on my hands something wrong and you wanna stick up for them and all that stuff. Yeah. But I’m so much better now than I ever was because I realized that there’s nothing wrong with being hardworking and resilient and all that sort of stuff. And on the soccer field, or a rugby field or whatever sport, netball with my girlfriends, uh, with my, with my daughters. For instance, you want that, you need that. You need to do that. You’re in a fight for whatever reason. You’ve got a scoreboard there and all that jazz, and you want to have that competitiveness. But the moment is most of the time you’re not in that environment, so it doesn’t mean you burst into tears every five minutes or have a deep and meaningful conversation being vulnerable. It means you’ve got that in your locker. You’ve got enough emotional muscle to have that in your locker for when you’re going down that path, you can go, you know what I’m grabbing one of my Gotcha4Life mates and I’m going, I’m telling you the truth here. I’m not gonna tell everyone, but I’m telling you that I’m going through a bit of a tough time at the moment and can you help me with it? And it’s not for the mate then to fix it, it’s just for the mate then to help him through it and give him the support that he needs. And that’s really the balancing act is I talk to a lot of blokes and they don’t want to be what is so called weak and vulnerable. And I’m like, you know what’s, you know what’s really weak, not talking about your feelings and, and, and that is worse. Mm-hmm. much worse than having the guts to man up and speak up and at the end of Man up it was man up, speak up rather than man up, shut up. And that’s what we need to change, but it doesn’t mean we have to change everything about being a male. Most of it is great and I love being an Aussie male in particular, but 90% of it is okay, which means we have to tinker with the 10. And if that means you’re vulnerable with a couple of people. Well, I prefer to have a vulnerable conversation than be going to a funeral for one of my mates, which has happened already and happens way too often in this country. So man up and speak up rather than man up and shut up.

 Andy
A hundred percent.

Ange
So Gus, as you know, a lot of our listeners are trade business owners, and many of them actually have a team. So what steps would you suggest that they could implement? To cultivate this great culture of open communication and vulnerability, or maybe even implement this culture with their mates.

Gus
Oh look, I’d love them to do that. And the most important thing is to be vulnerable yourself as the leader, you know, leading with vulnerability. I’m talking to business leaders all the time. I had one of the top four banks, top 28 people last week, and I was chatting with them, and they’re all around the world on Zoom and about 15 or so in Australia that have flown into Sydney. You know, and vulnerability is a new way to lead as I said, it’s about being human and people will follow humans. They will understand them more, and it’s, it’s changing that culture. It doesn’t mean that you’re not hardworking and resilient, but it means that you’re human. So just lead with some vulnerability as a leader yourself. And that takes a little bit of getting used to, because we’ve used to puffing our chest out and making out that we know everything, and I’ve seen this problem before and we can deal with it and so forth. Well, it’s about being human enough and actually showing your team that it’s alright to be a bit vulnerable at the right time. But it takes work and it takes time, and you need workshops with people like ourselves to be able to build that emotional muscle. You can’t take that stuff on yourself. This is like learning a whole new skill. So, you know, please use the, the people out there that are, that are working in this field, we lose more people in blue collar, in, in building and construction than we do anyone. You know? So this is really the type of people that have to, I suppose, get on the front foot, be vulnerable and say, you know what? We’re doing things slightly differently. Yeah. And if that means you can’t do it yourself, we’ll bring someone else in to do it like myself or one of the other facilitators that Gotcha4Life.

 Andy
Yeah, and you are gonna be chatting with our Lifestyle Tradie group, very soon mates. We’re looking forward to having you there. But, um, that’s something that we have been instilling with the groups. We’re working with company culture and not being that hard ass boss that, you know, sort of had that iron fist and would just build people to oblivion and make people feel like shit and put ’em down and, and doing all that kind of stuff. Like, it’s really important that every single one of your team knows that you actually care as a boss and you care what they do on the weekend, and you care what’s happening in their relationship and their family. And when you can build that connection, that is the way to be running a business. There’s no doubt about that. And we’re looking forward to having you, um, working with us soon. Mate, we play, uh, a bit of a game with all our guests too. We do three rapid fire questions. We’re gonna rattle ’em off. You have a round about 15 to 30 seconds to chime in. Are you ready to play this game with us, mate?

Gus
I’m ready, baby.

 Andy
Oh, mate.

Ange
Up. I know you guys can’t see it, but mate, he’s. He’s ready.

 Andy
Ah, you are ready mate.

Ange
As a flex.

 Andy
Yeah, but I’m happy to report to everyone listening. He still has his clothes on. Okay. So it’s okay. And that’s not why Ange was laughing. Okay. Let’s get stuck into this . So you’ve listed a bunch of strategies for our listeners to improve their own mental fitness, but what is your personal favorite strategy?

Gus
My personal favorite strategy is never worry alone is my main term, right? Which means if I have some sort of issue at all, I’ve got my village, which are my group of mates and family that I can absolutely go to, and I just start with one, but don’t get hold of them. I will go to the next one. I’ll eventually get one of them and I’ll go, this is how I’m feeling today. What do you reckon? And just go blur and just get it out of my head. That’s my number one thing, and that helps me so much.

 Andy
Yeah, and if you don’t have a group of mates like what Gus was saying, then find out who they are and make sure you guys talk about this, jump on Gotcha4Life as well, and have a bit of a look so they help with all of that. What is the best piece of advice you’ve ever received? Not just mental fitness related, it could be or not, but what’s the best piece of advice you’ve ever received?

Gus
My grandfather told me that I’d always be a salesman, and I went okay, that’s great. And he goes, the thing is people are gonna say to you that you could sell ice to Eskimos. You could sell sand to the Arabs. But I don’t think that’s the fact. You can only sell things that you believe in. So if you believe in something, you’ve got the skills then to be able to sell it. And that always gave me the confidence that I needed in everything I’ve done in my life. Which made me also realize I need to fall in love with something. I need to find my passion. I need to find my reason for being here. And I think that is now Gotcha4Life for me, because I believe in it and I think it’s true, and I think it’s right. And then my skills can help me obviously get that word out.

 Andy
Yeah. And mate, I have to say we were lucky enough. To, um, be up there on Hamilton Island with a few of the tripling crew and, and Mark and a few of the crew. And what? Yeah, mate. That was good fun buddy. I can tell you , I’ve just got memories on the boat with his big bottle of Verve, you know, but, uh, and we were tucking in. We were tucking in. He’s an absolute legend, Mark. Love him. Love him. But everyone speaks so highly of you, mate. You’re a local to us. We are in Mona Vale. You’re running up the street. And even all the Eleanor crew, all my mates are, ah, gosh, what an absolute legend. You know, when you, when your grandpa said, could sell ice to Eskimos, I know exactly what you’re saying. You’re just a passionate person that everyone loves. So, a huge kudos for you for that. Mate, the third question, if you could travel anywhere in the world right now, where would you go?

Gus
New York City.

 Andy
Woo.

Gus
My best friends are there. I love musicals. I love partying and when I get the opportunity, I can go, I can go for a few days if I can possibly, um, make that all happen. So yeah. In New York City, I’m actually going with my wife next Friday. Uh, Jack O’s been in a play there for about six months, called the Music Man and I’m gonna see him not tomorrow, but the following Saturday night. And um,

 Andy
and that’s Hugh Jackson for anyone listening. One of your best mates. What a star.

Gus
He’s been my best mate. Uh, Wolverine’s been my best mate since, um, since kindergarten at Pymble Public School and best men at each other’s wedding and godfather to each other’s firstborn. So I never got a week down the Hamptons. He’s pretty well in his life, so he has got a nice little, uh, place down there, which we’re gonna chill out and just spend the week I’m taking my wife and, uh, Jack O’s wife, Deb. We all get along really well. So there’ll be a little bit of wine drinking, a bit of scotch, drinking a bit of food, and, um, Yeah. So that’s, that’s where I’m going and that’s where I’d go now if you could give me a ticket.

 Andy
Unbelievable, mate. Unbelievable. I wish I could call you.

Ange
That’s cool. Create memories together, Gus. Yeah. You know, that’s the, that’s the bit that’s really important. Share moments with you. Really close friends.

Gus
Exactly. Their experiences together. And the other thing is that our relationship over the last five years has gotten even stronger because we are just so vulnerable with each other. You know, you think his life is absolutely golden and most of the time it is. But he’s human as well, of course. So he needs people around him to talk about what’s going on in his life. And you know, I’m a part of his Gotcha4Life crew, and we’ve got a WhatsApp group called the Non-Stop Gibber because we’re all full of shit. We never stop talking and Jack O’s a part of that and he sometimes misses it for a week and he’ll miss, there’ll be 1500 messages that he’s missed and all the photos to go through and so forth. We just need, we, we are really lucky. We’ve got that group of mates around us that keeps everyone grounded and keeps everyone focused. And you realize you’re never gonna be alone. There’s always someone in the world in that group awake, and you can talk to them and you can just go to them and I think we all need that if we can possibly do it.

Ange
That’s amazing and incredible tips for every single one of our listeners and inclusive of us. We’re so honored to work with you, Gus, with Gotcha4Life, and thank you so much for joining us today on this episode.

 Andy
We’re really excited Gus here at Lifestyle Tradie to have you a part of our partnership, you know, to be able to reach out with our community and to all those men out there and let’s get to this goal of Zero Suicides and women. Yes. And women of course. So just a huge thank you for all the work you do and for joining us today. Mate, you’re a superstar. I know anyone listening out there right now. Remember, mental fitness, we all, every single one of us needs to work on this. So big thank you today, mate.

Gus
No problem. Mental fitness, don’t worry alone. Appreciate your support. Appreciate our partnership. Looking forward to catching up live together face-to-face, and uh, lots of love to you and your listeners. Have a great day.

 Andy
Thanks buddy.

Ange
Thanks Gus.

Gus
See you guys.

Ange
If you’ve resonated with anything in today’s episode, I urge you to take action today. Whether that’s implementing Gus’s strategies within your friendship circle, your family, with your team, or even just taking some time out for yourself. Your mental fitness will absolutely thank you for it.

 Andy
Definitely, it’s so important to reach out in a time of need. All your mates, time of need, as Gus has highlighted, as they say, you should be there for your close mates through good times and bad. Let’s all take a pledge to lift up the trade industry to be better and handle mental fitness better.

Ange
If you are struggling and wanna talk to someone, can we recommend you contact Lifeline on 13 11 14. A full list of crisis support resources can be found on Gotcha4Life’s website, but there’s also a link in the show notes. Well, Andy, that’s a wrap from us today and we really look forward to chatting with you next week.

 Andy
See you then.